Buddha- an Indian citizen??

 

I know this is very controversial matter and may hurt feelings (let’s call it National pride? false?) of many at Sajha. But I think this is something that should be discussed more and a conclusion should be reached. Either Indian historian should accept that Buddha was born in Nepal or we should stop claiming him once and for all.

Why do I think it is a controversial subject?

First of All, what is Nepal? Nepal is a country just 280 something years old. There was no country called Nepal before 280 something years ago so how could we stake claim on someone as Nepali who was born 2500 years ago.  

Even if you consider present day Nepal and India and you believe that Gautam Buddha was born in present day Lumbini, the city of Lumbini and district of present day Kapilvastu is in such a border to India and Nepal it is hard to confirm where he was born.

Moreover, we have no controversy about the view that, Gautam Buddha did his meditation, gained his knowledge and preached his philosophy in current day India. We never argue against the view that he spent all of his adult life in India but we only argue about his birth place. Now the question arises why did he spent all his life in India but did not preach his views in surrounding areas of current day Nepal.

I believe that the idea about birth place of Buddha is Nepal or is India is controversial at best.

You have all rights to argue for and against it.

@deshbhaktanepali: "Kapilvastu is in such a border to India and Nepal "

What does that mean?

Get little older and think about it, grow up!

I do agree that the way we the nepali people protest is bad, but the way you posed the question is worse.

Study little even before  you can talk on this.
because as you said:
"this is very controversial matter and may hurt feelings "

If Nepal is 280 years old then Dhoti India is 50 years old. Indians were slave to british for 200 years before that and Slave to Muslims for 300 years before that, and slaves cant claim anything.

Jai Nepal

i like MN nepali's quote

"If Nepal is 280 years old then
Dhoti India is 50 years old. Indians were slave to british for 200
years before that and Slave to Muslims for 300 years before that, and
slaves cant claim anything."

Even though i dont give a damn where  lord siddhartha gautama was born, but the arrogant indian behaviour against Nepali's cannot stand..they cannot take away a person who has helped nepal earn some fame internationally. Bob Marley's lyrics explains our situation "How long shall they kill our prophets,
While we stand aside and look?" - Redemption song

For me, even if buddha was born in africa or any country, I would still be a follower of his dharma because buddha's message of peace, explainations of the meaning of life and message for us to forever strive to find truth will always be my dharma 

Have u guys ( Non Buddhist Nepalis) seen the current state of Lumbini...Shame on you to call 'Buddha' was born in Nepal. Atleast, India has been a great caretaker of Buddhism.

So, Buddha was an Indian, born in India!
Tenzin Norgay was not a Sherpa, He was a Tibetan, born in Tibet!
Yes, Prachanda is a Nepali, born in Nepal!!



SO,GOD SAVE OUR NEPAL !!!
& ya F**K  u GYANENDRA!!

Hey guys wait for me. I just put the popcorn in!!!! damn u started already!!

@yuma No I've never been to Lumbini but I have heard it is really very well maintained. By whom, I donot know. I heard its the Japanese/Chinese/*ese.

@khwasa timile bhaneko thik ho, we shouldn't just let people take advantage of us. If we let them continue, they will take Mt. Everest away from us.

This is how I explain where Nepal is to anyone else I meet here in the USA.

"Do you know where Nepal is?"

"No"

"Have you heard of Mt. Everest?"

"OFFCOURSE! Its the tallest peak in the world!"

"Well its in Nepal"

And then things flow smoothly from there.

There are somethings that define a country, maybe not for us, but for others to realize that OH MT. EVEREST = NEPAL. And the fact that they acknowledge you as a separate country, is their way of respecting you as an individual.

and like @MN_Nepali argues, they have had 50 years of Independence and we've been around as "Nepal" for 280. What the movie could have said is that "Gautama Buddha, formerly known as Prince Siddhartha, was born in Kapilavastu, which today lies in modern Nepal.. [blah blah blah] .. and he attained enlightenment in Bodh Gaya in the state of Bihar (?) in India". When the bastards cut the chase and righteously state that he was born in India without even mentioning us, I feel a little storm brew in my temples.

But anyhow, there is no point in fussing over this matter anymore. As the saying goes "No use in flogging a dead horse".

@deshbhaktanepali I dont think he chose to stay exclusively in India and shun Nepal. He ran away remember? Meaning, he prolly didn't want to come back and run into any of his cousins at the local Thursday grocery fair. And at that time there was no India and Nepal so.......

I am from near to lumbini.....been to lumbini so many times......in lumbini there are many temple built on name of buddha by different countries and one of them is India and in that temple u will find so many interesting thing about buddha and most surprising thing is that they got one huge picture of a palace which is presently in india and they says that buddha was born in that palace....so technically speaking we nepalese are fawking losers.....coz lumbini which is part of nepal and what we nepalese believe birth place of buddha and indians are up there and saying that he was born in india.....

dekchidriver we are not argueing about where he went. He was born in Nepal, so he would be called a Nepali citizen in todays terms. Did you know that dhoti Rajeev Gandhi asked indian intellegence RAW to destroy the Asoak Stumbha in Lumbini. Those were the glorious days of pre 1990, and we were blooming under King Birendra and Nepali intellegence was able to foil the indian ploy to destroy Nepali history.

And someone said India is saving buddists. They saved Dalai lama so that they can negociate with the Chinise. They day they will be in terms w/ the Chinise, they wil send Dalai Lama's head in a platter to the Commies in China.

Also, Nepalease have been defending Hinduism since the muslims started attaking the sub-continet. Afterall, it was Baba Gorakhnath from Nepal who went to Afganistan to stop the Muslim inflitration. It was only after his death Muslims were able to enter India and rape them.

Also, We the people of Nepal chose to fight unlike the Indians, who chose slavery to save their own lives.

I dont know about u folks, but I am proud of my history and will always support Nepal, anytime-anywhere.

Jai Nepal

 

It doesn't matter "when" he was born , the only thing that matters is"where" he was born..

Buddha was born in present day Nepal and got Nirvana in present day India. Thus he is a pride and icon of not only Nepal and India but of the whole world.
Well, 280 barsha agadi Nepal thiyena, tara India pani ta thiyena (baru British rajyako East India Company thiyo). And before British came to current day India, this region was called "Bharat Barsha" comprising of several small and big countries. Bharat Barsha is very different from Bharat.

@yumraj the only thing that matters is "where" he was born? Ill agree to disagree.

@MN_Nepali "We the people of Nepal chose to fight unlike the Indians". Friend. The most famous person in India is? Not Laloo Prasad, but Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi, or Bapuji, as they lovingly call him. "Ahimsa" or non-violence was his speciality.

We need to expand our vision to witness history as it happened without pride, without prejudice.

dekchidriver

get any 10th grade Indian history book.

Read 1857 (Indian Mutiny)

to 1947.

Make sure you write down a couple of words for eacg time they say so called Gandhi Jee and date when it happened. You will get your answer.

If you want a smaller route:

Here is the zist:

http://www.time.com/time/asia/magazine/2000/0214/india.godse.html

FEBRUARY 14, 2000 VOL. 155 NO. 6 W E B - O N L Y   I N T E R V I E W "His Principle of Peace Was Bogus" Gopal Godse, co-conspirator in Gandhi's assassination and brother of the assassin, looks back in anger--and without regret Hemant Pithwa/India Today Fifty-two years ago, on Jan. 30, 1948, Mohandas Gandhi was shot dead by Nathuram Godse, a Hindu extremist. Godse believed that the Mahatma, or great soul, was responsible for the 1947 partition of India and the creation of Pakistan. Godse and his friend Narayan Apte were hanged. His brother Gopal and two others were sentenced to life imprisonment for their part in the conspiracy. Gopal Godse remained in jail for 18 years and now, at 80, lives with his wife in a small apartment in Pune. He is still proud of his role in the murder. Although Godse is largely ignored in India and rarely talks to journalists, he agreed to speak with TIME Delhi correspondent Meenakshi Ganguly. TIME: What happened in January 1948? Godse: On Jan. 20, Madanlal Pahwa exploded a bomb at Gandhi's prayer meeting in Delhi. It was 50 m away from Gandhi. [The other conspirators] all ran away from the place. Madanlal was caught there. Then there was a tension in our minds that we had to finish the task before the police caught us. Then Nathuram [Gopal's brother] took it on himself to do the thing. We only wanted destiny to help us -- meaning we should not be caught on the spot before he acted.     ALSO IN TIME Cover: Getting Interesting With his stunning, overwhelming victory in the New Hampshire primary, John McCain suddenly becomes a credible contender for the Republican nomination Indonesia: Showdown In a bid to prove that he's in charge, President Wahid demands that former army chief Wiranto leave his cabinet post India: Hardened Hearts Delhi's feeble response to the Orissa cyclone disaster highlights a national apathy that worries many citizens India: Crash Landing Even a Calcutta court verdict can't answer vexing questions about a bizarre 1995 gunrunning case Line of Fire: Open to Criticism Sin-ming Shaw says loudly scolding Beijing can be effective WEB-ONLY INTERVIEW 'Gandhi Was a Hypocrite' In this online-only interview, Gopal Godse, co-conspirator in Gandhi's assassination and brother of the assassin, looks back in anger--and without regret 'Wiranto Needs to Accept Some Responsibility' Online-only interview with Albert Hasibuan, head of Jakarta's inquiry into human-rights abuses in East Timor TIME: Why did you want to kill Gandhi? Godse: Gandhi was a hypocrite. Even after the massacre of the Hindus by the Muslims, he was happy. The more the massacres of the Hindus, the taller his flag of secularism. TIME: Did you ever see Gandhi? Godse: Yes. TIME: Did you attend his meetings? Godse: Yes. TIME: Can you explain how he created his mass following? Godse: The credit goes to him for maneuvering the media. He captured the press. That was essential. How Gandhi walked, when he smiled, how he waved -- all these minor details that the people did not require were imposed upon them to create an atmosphere around Gandhi. And the more ignorant the masses, the more popular was Gandhi. So they always tried to keep the masses ignorant. TIME: But surely it takes more than good publicity to create a Gandhi? Godse: There is another thing. Generally in the Indian masses, people are attracted toward saintism. Gandhi was shrewd to use his saintdom for politics. After his death the government used him. The government knew that he was an enemy of Hindus, but they wanted to show that he was a staunch Hindu. So the first act they did was to put "Hey Ram" into Gandhi's dead mouth. TIME: You mean that he did not say "Hey Ram" as he died? Godse: No, he did not say it. You see, it was an automatic pistol. It had a magazine for nine bullets but there were actually seven at that time. And once you pull the trigger, within a second, all the seven bullets had passed. When these bullets pass through crucial points like the heart, consciousness is finished. You have no strength. When Nathuram saw Gandhi was coming, he took out the pistol and folded his hands with the pistol inside it. There was one girl very close to Gandhi. He feared that he would hurt the girl. So he went forward and with his left hand pushed her aside and shot. It happened within one second. You see, there was a film and some Kingsley fellow had acted as Gandhi. Someone asked me whether Gandhi said, "Hey Ram." I said Kingsley did say it. But Gandhi did not. Because that was not a drama. TIME: Many people think Gandhi deserved to be nominated TIME's Person of the Century. [He was one of two runners-up, after Albert Einstein.] Godse: I name him the most cruel person for Hindus in India. The most cruel person! That is how I term him. TIME: Is that why Gandhi had to die? Godse: Yes. For months he was advising Hindus that they must never be angry with the Muslims. What sort of ahimsa (non-violence) is this? His principle of peace was bogus. In any free country, a person like him would be shot dead officially because he was encouraging the Muslims to kill Hindus. TIME: But his philosophy was of turning the other cheek. He felt one person had to stop the cycle of violence... Godse: The world does not work that way. TIME: Is there anything that you admire about Gandhi? Godse: Firstly, the mass awakening that Gandhi did. In our school days Gandhi was our idol. Secondly, he removed the fear of prison. He said it is different to go into prison for a theft and different to go in for satyagraha (civil disobedience). As youngsters, we had our enthusiasm, but we needed some channel. We took Gandhi to be our channel. We don't repent for that. TIME: Did you not admire his principles of non-violence? Godse: Non-violence is not a principle at all. He did not follow it. In politics you cannot follow non-violence. You cannot follow honesty. Every moment, you have to give a lie. Every moment you have to take a bullet in hand and kill someone. Why was he proved to be a hypocrite? Because he was in politics with his so-called principles. Is his non-violence followed anywhere? Not in the least. Nowhere. TIME: What was the most difficult thing about killing Gandhi? Godse: The greatest hurdle before us was not that of giving up our lives or going to the gallows. It was that we would be condemned both by the government and by the public. Because the public had been kept in the dark about what harm Gandhi had done to the nation. How he had fooled them! TIME: Did the people condemn you? Godse: Yes. People in general did. Because they had been kept ignorant. Write to TIME at mail@web.timeasia.com This edition's table of contents TIME Asia home Quick Scroll: More stories from TIME, Asiaweek and CNN

Good going guys...the more we discuss about this issue the earlier we will reach a conclusion....i am happy that we are not atleast fighting with teach other...we are discussing based on ideas and views...

Awwww it hurt a lot of feelings ? ha ha ha ha  Hasaucha.

Reach a conclusion ? ha ha ha ha ha ha  What what is the conclusion ? ha ha ha WE HAVE KNOWN THE CONCLUSION FOR OVER 2000 YRS.

By argueging about this OUR DEAREST NEPALI BHEDAS are legitimizing and validating claim that he was born in INDIA.

 

@MN_Nepali so u reaaly believe tht Gandhi was a rusty old bogus man? What if he was born in Nepal? Would you still hate him? I doubt it, you would be supporting him with the proper pride and respect that a man of such high caliber demands.

And so you study 1 article in 1 lousy textbook and you are CONVINCED that he was a silly old geyser whos whole theory of non-violence was a big fail because........................HE WAS BORN IN INDIA??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Well I wont be suprized if you diss on Buddhism, if proved Buddha was born in India.

Anyways, that article interviews the brother of the person who killed Gandhi? Wow, very credible source Id say. 1149 million people to interview in India abt him and they chose the worst one. I fear a political motive behind this hahhaa..

[blockquote]TIME: Did you not admire his principles of non-violence?
Godse: Non-violence is not a principle at all. He did not follow it. In politics you cannot follow non-violence. You cannot follow honesty. Every moment, you have to give a lie. Every moment you have to take a bullet in hand and kill someone. Why was he proved to be a hypocrite? Because he was in politics with his so-called principles. Is his non-violence followed anywhere? Not in the least. Nowhere. [/blockquote]

Looking at the current world makes you want to believe rite? That lying is the way to go, good is dead, cheating people makes sense, honesty is unheard of.

Well Mr. call me naive, but there are still some people who have a positive attitude abt life. We all fear that "OH WE HAVE BEEN FOOOLED" moment shall come none too quick, that we dont even bother to think about "OH WHAT IF I DID THIS".

नेपालका गैारबशाली तस्बीरहरू ।