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 Male Chauvinism or Feminism?

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Posted on 09-05-06 6:57 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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I am writing this article not for me to be viewed as a chauvinist but out of compassion for the struggle that the female gender is staring in the name of feminism. Lets begin with the functionality of gender in the society. God has created two genders with individual social responsibilities. They have their own chemical, biological and hence physical limitations on each other. A man is not given the physical ability to reproduce while he is capable of more strenuous work. The "equality of the genders" needs to be an understanding that comes through education and not through a social mob struggle.

By fighting for the so called rights, I pity the women who are doubling their efforts of existence. They cannot dispense their motherly instincts. At some point of time they need a man in their life. They need to think about a family as a conviction for a social living. Having said that about women, I also stress the need for a women in a man's life. The man needs her more than a woman needs him. The existence is mutual. No one is superior to the other.

I do not say that women should not go to school. Education is the only means that people can understand the idea of equality. The priority is what matters. For a women, and her smooth living , the social responsibility needs more attention than her corporate personality. A women in social responsibility fills the position of her partner's mother to pour affection, a sibling that can understand his anger vents and above all be a good partner too. When the adaptation needs quite a substantial amount of time, the smoothness of the operation is hindered by the choice of pursuing corporate goals. Is it not double work now for the women? Work for a company and work for the family...? The struggle seems to me like a means of escaping family responsibility more than struggle for equality.

I see the "career" women affecting the society in two ways. They will not be satisfied with equality. They ask for more. A female manager in the Fortune #7 looks for a partner in Fortune #1.As an effect, not only have they contributed to the increase in competition towards the survival of the fittest but have mounted more pressure on the the more responsible gender of the society. The other aspect is their neglect of the social responsibility that soon vents out as frustration. From the aspect of the males, they need to view it as a responsibility to house a family and not restrict the freedom of his dependents. Its difficult but I perceive it smoother than the struggle.

There is one understanding and everything else will fall in place.
 
Posted on 09-05-06 10:52 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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redstone, okay! men have more muscle mass :D
 
Posted on 09-05-06 10:56 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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I think we are digressing from the topic. I ain't disrespecting women. My mother was a women, that suffices my rational for adoring and respecting women.

The article is just intended to give an insight to some bitter facts that we 21st centurians are skeptical at admitting with. No one is denying the importance of a woman in man's life or vice versa. Personally speaking, no one should give a damn about who elizabeth hurley or Howard Stern are engaged with, at least I don't.

The thing is, we are ignoring or failing to admit the repurcussion by shedding equal rights to both genders. I am not for or against anyone, but I believe in the notion "right person should be at the right place". How would you feel when you see an ineligible woman enjoying the luxury of a CEO of a fortune 1 company while you, in spite of being smarter, have to work under her?

Moreover, IMO and generally speaking, women are no good as a career person. All they are good at is putting sunscreen and foundations and flirt around with good-looking men with thick pocket. This is a general trend. Of course, exceptions are bound to happen.

It's the nature or something else, but my experience tells me that no matter how big a woman is in terms of career and education, they need a petty reason to gossip and indulge themselves in trivial and hence meaningful stuffs.

I can talk in this issue for all night long, but I expect more genuine counter arguments, else who wants to stay awake?
 
Posted on 09-05-06 11:00 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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"All they are good at is putting sunscreen and foundations and flirt around with good-looking men with thick pocket. This is a general trend."

LIKE OMG NO YOU DIDNT!
 
Posted on 09-05-06 11:02 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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this world is not fair...suck it up!!! now only you're seeing what's unfair? where was your article when women were/are being given no choice?
 
Posted on 09-05-06 11:03 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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doncoreleo
your whole "article", if you claim that to be an article, is nothing but just GENERALIZATIONS. every bit of sentence from career women being unsatisfied to career women neglecting their ehir duties to soceity suffering from career women to career women hurting teh chances of teh more "responsible gender" of soceity (so ludicrous i dont' think its even worth commenting) and your comment that more equality ther is to more pressure there is on women and men....every single sentence. they just sound like your own guesses and obervations, you have no proof, not one.

but that aside, lets start this new revolution with you ok. ask your sisters to dump thier certificate (she won't need it to complete her household "duties", give up her ambitions or her current job and stay home and feed her husband from dawn to dusk. set up an example for the rest of us to follow.
 
Posted on 09-05-06 11:04 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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i think thats just a typical southern asian guy's thinking!!

:P
 
Posted on 09-05-06 11:06 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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what nonsense argument is this fuser?????
there are still millions of people dying without food... what is the fairness???stop BSing your fairness and equality crap..and don't dig the history.

There was othe issues that men also suffered so don't go there..

yes Don is correct in some respect but can't do anything about it !
 
Posted on 09-05-06 11:08 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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i read your recent paragraph, and concluded, just another bored person saying controversial stuff trying to flare up a debate, be "unlikable', and grab some attention.
 
Posted on 09-05-06 11:09 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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lfc123,

FYI, I have research data and statistics to back up my claim, however I don't find the necessity of posting it here. And no, I am not the only one who claims this. There are men aplenty. Some are bold who put forth the opinion, some are skeptical and some are unaware.
 
Posted on 09-05-06 11:15 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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I think it is very interesting topic for discussion. Its always hard for women to work outside and as well as carry out social responsibilities. Especially in a country like Nepal where marriage is still done in a very traditional method. For example in Nepal a married women marries not just the husband but the whole clan....NOT EVEN JUST THE FAMILY...think about the social pressure for an educated women who is thinking to get married. She is also supposed to behave in a certain way e.g always bowing to the husband's family...(nothing wriong with bowing to ur elders) but still....
And I also think that men do not want to take challenges by marrying very Independent carrier women. Isn't that one of the reasons why so many men from America (American men) are bringing brides from East Asian countries. Even they are not willing to take challenges. I can see that there are so many websites that advertise Chinese, Russian,Filipina Japanese etc wives.
I personally think that carrier orientd women should actually not consider marriage, as it will be too hard for to position herself in hte family. instead she should think of having family through other means. Like adoption of children there are so many poor children in this world who need home and I think women should consider this. Why should there be more births in this world when so many children are already starving.
This is what I think
 
Posted on 09-05-06 11:19 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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claim whatever you want Mr. i am neither refuting nor supporting your agreement, i am just indifferent. the only reason why i posted something was because i read you so called article, and then found no evidence, no backup, and was a highly dogmatic piece typical of uber conservative people.
and yes, tehre are thousands and thousands and thousadns of men who claim waht you say, who perhaps claim that women should be locked up in thier rooms all day by thier husbands and cook food for them and bear children and remain illeterate etc etc....

but tell me why they have never made a difference? why have they never generated any interst in soceity. why have they never succeeded in parents and husbands forcing their wives and daughters to stay home? well firstly because thier opinions are irrelvant and dont' suit the time and context we are living through and secondly, because they are people who have no influence, no say, no power, who have nothign better to do and are perhaps, just jealous.
 
Posted on 09-05-06 11:20 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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like i said the world is unfair....:D....but what goes around, comes around...and fairness will be achieved when women will get job because of quota system... i am sorry for people like Don.Corleone who have found more hurdles to reach to the top because of women. ke garne ta atti anyaya bhayo hai??
 
Posted on 09-05-06 11:22 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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agreement = argument.
 
Posted on 09-05-06 11:30 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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No offense but I think that all the men that fuss about marrying a career woman are just lazy people who think that their wife should stay at home and tend after kids and cook them a good meal rather than share the responsibility. I mean come on... just because your woman earns the same way you do does not cause a turmoil at home. You can always share the responsibilty and take turns doing the chores. Specially the women of todays world are just as hard working and work their butts off to get their degree. So should she ignore her diploma and stay at home based on some data?

I mean okay I grant you that maybe if both the parents are working then the children get to spend less time with them. But if there is a good understanding then the parents can always work it out. And about the ladies in Nepal going to work and making sweaters and talking about what they had for lunch is all bull crap. There might be some ladies that do that but arent there male workers in Nepal who just sit in their office and do nuthing? Have you ever gone to a bank in Nepal? Men and women do the same kinda jobs.

And women have low IQ than men?? Where did that come from? AND " God has created two genders with individual social responsibilities".. HELLO... did god tell you that women are supposed to stay at home and take care of the household???? I am shocked that you would even mention this in your so called scientifically proven, data-based article!!
 
Posted on 09-05-06 11:30 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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you claim woman are equal and yet you want quota for woman.. you weaker sex...hehehe:):P

Don bro... Advancement of woman are unstoppable but these recent changes in the structure of the society has taught people how to compromise in relationship..yes it has not been perfect but men understand they have equally responsibilty in household activities as women.If women has job then she cannot run away from her family responsibilities..it is more difficult phase for woman then man.It is applaudable that woman are managing it .yes we see highly ambitious woman are highly dissatisfied and so goes for men too.If one doesn't learn to adopt into changing social structure then he/she will only be loser.To come out as winner in family as and career men and women should have better understanding and commitement..else those who fail are losers!!!there were losers and there are losers and their will be one...just have to put extra work to be winner in 21st century.
 
Posted on 09-05-06 11:35 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Rythm... yes avg IQ of woman is less than man..search online..you know google correct!!!

Don's data is not bogus..he is correct ..there have been studies and this change is social responsibilty and attitude of women has seriously shaked the traditional expectation of family structure..you want to admit or not it is up to you!
 
Posted on 09-05-06 11:39 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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God hasn't told women to sit at home and take care of household but Nature sure has, or else women wouldn't be assigned the most IMPORTANT TASK OF BEARING THEIR OFFSPRINGS and GIVING CONTINUITY TO OUR SPECIES......

Get your dumb brains to think on a little broader sense than just yap like PMS bimbos!
 
Posted on 09-05-06 11:45 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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I never said that his data was wrong. I m just saying that though he talks about data and all that he also states that "god created men and women with certain social responsibilities".. Irony huh??

According to Wikipedia.com
"In 2005, Haier et al. reported that compared with men, women show more white matter and fewer gray matter areas related to intelligence. They also report that the brain areas correlated with IQ differ between the sexes. They conclude that men and women apparently achieve similar IQ results with different brain regions. "
 
Posted on 09-05-06 11:47 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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MangoTart.. just because women have kids they have to stay home and take care of kids.. and thats the law of nature huh? What about the sperms that guys contribute to the concieving of a child?? GOD... I cant believe what I am reading!! So according to you as nature dictates women to do home chores what does nature say a man's responsibility is?
 
Posted on 09-05-06 11:53 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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i do not credit anyone who gets information from wikipedia.com

those types of sites can be easily updated, changed. even though i bet most of them are very correct, i still hesitate to believe anything from wiki.

goin back to the topic, i know what don wants to show us. the difference, he has noticed, or researched. but in this world, at this time, when women are coming up, walking along with men, this article carries no relevance!
 



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