It's not me who is saying this.

I just wanted you guys to evaluate the claim below.

हाम्रो देशमा शाह dynasty कुल मन्डन खान (शाह)बाट भएको हो । क बाट सुरु भएको नाम बाट शाह बंस सुरु भएर ज्ञ बाट सुरु हुने नाम भएको ज्ञानेन्द्र सम्म पुगेको ले अब शाह बंस सक्इयो भन्ने धारणा प्रति यहाँ हरुको धारणा के छ ?

Purush

Manish?

Why she would be worried? What is the relevance here?

King G has to do Rajsuya Yanga to get out of the curse delimiting the throne to you only. In this Yanga, he has to open his all dhukuti to common people, Rishi-maharshi etc without any kanchusi. And while the Yanga is going on, he has to give up the military power altogether and be satisfied with constitutional monarchy. Most of all, he should send his son Paras to exile without any conditions.

This should avoid the curse. The curse is actually, the 12th descendant will never be a king while alive. The throne has to be passed onto the 13th descendant. Or to the first President.

If the source of Shah dynasty some Kulmandan Khan, are Shahs originally Muslims?

Shahs are originally Muslims...

हाम्ले नि त्यही सुन्या हो स्कुलमा हुंदा।। दिपेन्द्रे राजा हुन्न रे, बिरेन्द्रे last re and thats the end of Shah dynasty re. :P Sunya kura tyatti ho, bhandiye. Kura ni milya jasto cha. Poonte dai or Nepe might know better. Or somebody call Visnotar please. eh. or Trikaal baa.

Shahs are not Muslim. Shah was the title given by the Mughals to the worrior kings who were also their alliance in the war.

He may be the last King of Nepal unless he can turn things upside down within the next few months.

Does this mean things will get better in Nepal? Probably not. I am worried things wil get even worse without the King.

If Maoists take over, they will try to establish one party gov and try to take on majority of kathmanduties. But they won't last very long..coz there will be plenty of people who will try to kill their leaders. They will never be able to get rid of their 'criminal' image. If Prachanda or Baburam becomes head of state, they will be killed within days. They will never be able to walk around like ordinary people, at least not in Kathmandu.

As far as rest of the parties are concered, we all know them well. They will all fight with each other to get in power. People will suffer yet again.

So my friend, we are in deep shit either way, with or without the king.

So, are/were Shah kings stooges of Mughals that they had to adopt the title given by Musalteys as their gotra/last name? And, if that is the case, what were they, I mean their caste, before they started calling themselves Shah?

I was wondering why so much of the "bani/behura" are like musalteys. An example being the way they greet each other, with a palm up and swaying up and down, just like when Musalteys say "aadaab."

I also heard that they were Muslims initially. Now, who can be a better Hindu than they?
So the conclusion is Gyanu is the last king of Shah dynasty, haina ta??

If Gyane is the last king of Shah dynasty, then either Girija or Puspa is the first king of either Koirala or Dahal dynasty.
Kye garne, nepali haru ko dabi eyera basne bani, affai lay leader kaha channa sakchan kunni.

It is funny Hindu King is actually a katuwa? Do they circumscribe?

Magdadela:

Himani better knows about this. Why don't you e-mail her? If you need a e-mail of here, get it here. himanishah@yahoo.com and momtorhidayandra@hotmail.com

KUlmardan Shaha was the first Shaha kind and GYanendra is the last one. It was started with KAPURI KA and now is going to be end with GATHOPARI GYA.

himani is not quite as interesting as you might think her to be. She is a mom of a few kids so my truck will easily float on the beltway. I prefer to drive my car on a one-way, one lane road.

Shah's were originally Khan (not the muslin khan, but a rajputania chettri of the Chhirttaurgar provinces of northwest India - more likely pronounced खाड with a thoplo on top of खा). anyways, the title of "Shah" was given by Badshah (shah of shahs or Emperor) of New Dehli of the Mugal Dynasty. So, until Prithvi Narayan Shah, they could only write Shah after their name, because they were only King. After King Prithvi, took over many smaller pricipalites and brought kings under him, he did not write BadShah, since BadShaha is written only by Muslim rulers, so he wrote Maharaja (King of Kings) like the hindus do. So, in brief, the Shah rulers of Nepal are really Hindus. Only the shah rulers after Prithvi Narayan are Maharaja, in the history of Nepal. However, The 8 Rana prime minsters (Bom Bahadur is excepted) also enjoyed the titlte of Maharaja, as Lamjung also had a titular Raja when the Rana PMs were the real rulers (Shree 3 Maharaj) of Lamjung and Kaski.

I have also heard of another theory.

Shahs were actually just another "pahadeys" of Nepali hills, just like any other Nepali hill castes. But when they got to be the kings of some principality, such as Lamjung or Gorkha, they figured they can create a myth that they are actually decendents of Rajputs from India. Apparently, among the ruling families, the perception was that Rajputs are of higher stock. Now if Shahs claim that they are actually Rajputs, then they can also claim superiority among the rulers of other prinicipalities, therefore, create a better legitimacy.

Does this make sense?

yeah, it does make sense. there is a very good book on thsi context at teh Kaiser Library (well all Rana and Shah information there are exaggerated but hey, its a source).. i think it is called history of nepal, and it is a very old book at the history section of the library, written about 1965 or so by Pandin ??? (read it a long time ago, so don't really recall teh name or wrtier)... it has 28th ascendant- rajajee rajiv rao, of Kulmandan Shah Khan , to be a ruler of a small principality in north west India. But the same book, also recalls that an ascendant of Jang Bahadur was also a ruler. In indian sub continent the hindus wrote rao, rana, rawal, singh etc as title of the ruler where muslims wrote nawab, sultan etc.

Also, the story of King Drabya winning the Liglig racing game.. other historians say that Drabya Shah was infact running but not for race, but to kill the reigning king and he was the first to slain him, so eventually (still) winning the race.

NEPAL



BRIEF HISTORY

The Royal House of Nepal claims descent from the Chitor dynasty ruling at Udaipur. Ajaya Simha (alias Mincha Khan), younger son of Bhupal Ranaji Rao, established himself as Prince of Nayakot, Lambjang, Kaski, and Tanhun ca. 1495. His successor, Jagdeva Khan, conquered the principality of Kaski and secured the title of Shah from the Emperor of India during the sixteenth century.

Drabya Shah, great-grandson of Jagdeva, conquered Gorkha, establishing himself as the founder of the fortunes of the dynasty. His descendant, Prithvi Narayan, entered the Katmandu valley and ejected the Malla dynasty, becoming King in 1768. His successors conquered or subdued all the remaining petty principalities and unified the kingdom. They twice invaded Tibet but were severaly beaten and forced to become tributaries of the Emperor of China. The Indian borderlands and seized several principalities, thereby coming into conflict with the British East India Company.

Although severely beaten back to within reach of their borders, the Gurkha soldiers put up such an heroic defence that won the admiration of their foes. Enemies became firm friends and peace terms were generous, leaving Nepal as a virtually independent buffer state. The close association with the British forces, date from this period, captured Gurkha units being recruited en masse.

Court intrigues and the succession of minors, resulted in the advent of powerful Ministers. Assassinations and revolutions became commonplace as different court favourites and their families competed for power. Eventually, and perhaps inevitably, the tables were turned. The prime ministership became a virtual dictatorship.

Jang Bahadur Kunwar Ranaji, became Prime Minister in 1846 after yet another bloody coup. He consolidated his position in 1857, laying the foundations of a military oligarchy, which lasted for a century. He received the title of Maharaja of Lambjang and Kaski and the offices of Prime Minister and Commander-in-Chief made hereditary within his family.

The status of the King during the Rana period closely resembled that of the Emperors of Japan. He became a semi-divine figure, greatly venerated but kept away from political matters, his movements watched and actions closely controlled. The Prime Minister's position was not unlike that of the Shogun, his office was hereditary and he controlled all political and military affairs. Foreign relations were limited to the periodic tribute missions to China and close co-operation with the British in India, no more than a handful of foreigners were permitted to visit the country and trade was restricted.

The immense contribution by Gurkha troops during the Great War prompted recognition of the full independence of the country, by Britain, in 1923. Although diplomatic relations were opened with the major European powers, the closed system remained in place. However, Nepal could not remain immune from the strong currents of change that engulfed South Asia in 1947 and 1948. Within two years a revolution had broken out, overthrowing the Rana oligarchy and bringing the monarchy centre-stage once more.

The 1950 revolution may have secured a democratic regime, but Nepal's journey has not proved to be a stable one, since then. The Kings of Nepal have often had to play an important part in Nepalese politics. On two occasions the constitution has been abrogated and democratic institutions suspended, with the King assuming executive powers.

King Birendra, Queen Aishwari, their two younger children and five other members of the Royal Family were massacred by the then Crown Prince Dipendra, in the grounds of Narayanhiti Royal Palace in June 2001. This was the worst incident of its kind in modern history. King Gyanendra, the surviving brother of Birendra, has succeeded to the throne in an atmosphere of much confusion and great sadness.

I found above history in the internet. May not be 100% correct. It is the history that Shahs wants us to believe.

Gyane must go, go along with all his COTERIEs. then, NEW ERA of revolution will flourish

SHAH KINGS OF GORKHA

According to Bhasa Bansabali, the Shah kings of Gorkha were descended from a noble family of Chitor (India) who belonged to the Chandrabansi Rajput dynasty. The founder of this dynasty was Rishi Raj Bhattarak. The 33rd king of this dynesy was Bhupati Ranjee. He had three sons named Udaya Bom, Fatta Singh and Manamath. Fatta Singh had a beautiful daughter named Sadul. The Muslim King Allaudin Khilzi wanted to marry Sadul. But, Fatta Singh refused to fulfill his wish. So Allaudin Khilizi of Delhi invaded Chitor and Captured it. After the Muslim invasion, Manamath went to Ujjain and lived there.

He had two sons, named Brahmin and Bhupal. But Brahmin and Bhupal did not want to live together. The youngest brother Bhupal left Ujain and came to Ridi. He lived there for some time. After some days, Bhupal left Ridi and reached Bhirkot. He began to settle there. He had two sons named Harihar Singh and Ajaya Singh, they were also called 'Khancha Khan' and 'Mincha Khan'. Khancha Khan had established a small principality of Dhor. Khan established a small principality of Nuwakot. Then he began to rule over there.


KULAMARDAN SHAH

Kulamardan was the descendant of Mincha. He ruled over Nuwakot, and, in due course of time annexed Kaski to his kingdom. He was a powerful king and acquired the titoe of 'Shah' from the emperor of Delhi. Since then, the 'Shah' surname has been used by the kings of Gorkha. He had seven sons. At that time there was no king in Lamjung. The people of Lamjung approached Kulamardan Shah and begged one of his sons to rule over the kingdom of Lamjung. Kulamardan Shah sent his second son, Kalu Shah with them. The people of Lamjung made Kalu Shah, their king, but he died soon. After the death of Kalu Shah, the people of Lamjung again asked Kalumandan to give his youngest son. Now Yashovarma Shah was sent to rule over Lamjung. Yashovarma had two sons, Narahari Shah and Drabya Shah. Narahari Shah rule over Lamjung and Drabya Shah conquered Gorkha and established an independent kingom.