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 Baburam Bhattarai was a Potential Chess Grandmaster

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Posted on 03-30-06 2:53 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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I was surprised to read this fact about Baburam Bhattrai.
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"Before committing himself fully to politics, Bhattarai was also a brilliant chess player. He used to say that chess was to Communists what water was to ducks, and tirelessly pointed out that Lenin was also a chess enthusiast.

When the then FIDE president Max Euwe gave a simultaneous exhibition in Kathmandu, Bhattarai played against him and beat the former world champion in 23 moves with a brilliant queen sacrifice. Afterwards, Dr. Euwe was reported in local media as saying, "Alekhine lives in Nepal!".

Many Nepalese chess fans rue the fact that Nepal lost its first potential FIDE Grand Master when Dr. Bhattarai gave up competitive chess to devote himself exclusively to the revolutionary struggle."

Source: - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baburam_Bhattarai
 
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Hey Ignitor,

Thanks for putting light on the hidden talent of BabuRam.
 
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you learn new facts every day..... good job
 
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It would have been better if he was a chess player. We could be proud of him as a champioin.
 
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Gotta love this sentence:

"He used to say that chess was to Communists what water was to ducks, and tirelessly pointed out that Lenin was also a chess enthusiast."



That Wikipedia entry -- which anyone can edit -- is a masterstroke of a public relations exercise.

Because of it, we are left to think that there's a positive relation between BRB's unrealized chess greatness and his strategy skills in the real world.

At this rate, what's next in Wikipedia?

"Comrade Prachanda, who is a die-hard Karisma Manandhar fan, was once offered to play the role of hero opposite the famous actress in the movie "Timi kasto manche",
but he declined the glitz and the glamor of Kollywood to pursue the get-your-hands-dirty goals of the revolution"?

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Meantime, here's an old letter, written by philosopher Ayn Rand.

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An Open Letter to Boris Spassky

Dear Comrade Spassky:

I have been watching with great interest your world chess championship match
with Bobby Fischer. I am not a chess enthusiast or even a player, and know
only the rudiments of the game. I am a novelist-philosopher by profession.

But I watched some of your games, reproduced play by play on television, and
found them to be a fascinating demonstration of the enormous complexity of
thought and planning required of a chess player--a demonstration of how many
considerations he has to bear in mind, how many factors to integrate, how
many contingencies to be prepared for, how far ahead to see and plan. It was
obvious that you and your opponent had to have an unusual intellectual
capacity.

Then I was struck by the realization that the game itself and the players'
exercise of mental virtuosity are made possible by the metaphysical
absolutism of the reality with which they deal. The game is ruled by the Law
of Identity and its corollary, the Law of Causality. Each piece is what it
is: a queen is a queen, a bishop is a bishop--and the actions each can
perform are determined by it's nature: a queen can move any distance in any
open line, straight or diagonal, a bishop cannot; a rook can move from one
side of the board to the other, a pawn cannot; etc. Their identities and the
rules of their movements are immutable--and this enables the player's mind
to devise a complex, long-range strategy, so that the game depends on
nothing but the power of his (and his opponent's) ingenuity.

This led me to some questions that I should like to ask you.

1.. Would you be able to play if, at a crucial moment--when, after hours
of brain-wrenching effort, you had succeeded in cornering your opponent--an
unknown, arbitrary power suddenly changed the rules of the game in his
favor, allowing, say, his bishops to move like queens? You would not be able
to continue? Yet out in the living world, this is the law of your
country--and this is the condition in which your countrymen are expected,
not to play, but to live.

2.. Would you be able to play if the rules of chess were updated to
conform to a dialectic reality, in which opposites merge--so that, at a
crucial moment, your queen turned suddenly from White to Black, becoming the
queen of your opponent; and then turned Gray, belonging to both of you? You
would not be able to continue? Yet in the living world, this is the view of
reality your countrymen are taught to accept, to absorb, and to live by.

3.. Would you be able to play if you had to play by teamwork--i.e., if you
were forbidden to think or act alone and had to play not with a group of
advisers, but with a team that determined your every move by vote? Since, as
champion, you would be the best mind among them, how much time and effort
would you have to spend persuading the team that your strategy is the best?
Would you be likely to succeed? And what would you do if some pragmatist,
range-of-the-moment mentalities voted to grab an opponent's knight at the
price of a checkmate to you three moves later? You would not be able to
continue? Yet in the living world, this is the theoretical ideal of your
country, and this is the method by which it proposes to deal (someday) with
scientific research, industrial production, and every other kind of activity
required for man's survival.

4.. Would you be able to play if the cumbersome mechanism of teamwork were
streamlined, and your moves were dictated simply by a man standing behind
you, with a gun pressed to your back--a man who would not explain or argue,
his gun being his only argument and sole qualification? You would not be
able to start, let alone continue, playing? Yet in the living world, this is
the practical policy under which men live--and die--in your country.

5.. Would you be able to play--or to enjoy the professional understanding,
interest, and acclaim of an international Chess Federation--if the rules of
the game were splintered, and you played by "proletarian" rules while your
opponent played by "bourgeois" rules? Would you say that such "polyrulism"
is more preposterous than polylogism? Yet in the living world, your country
professes to seek global harmony and understanding, while proclaiming that
she follows "proletarian" logic and that others follow "bourgeois" logic, or
"Aryan" logic, or "third-world" logic, etc.

6.. Would you be able to play if the rules of the game remained as they
are at present, with one exception: that the pawns were declared to be the
most valuable and non-expendable pieces (since they may symbolize the
masses) which had to be protected at the price of sacrificing the more
efficacious pieces (the individuals)? You might claim a draw on the answer
to this one--since it is not only your country, but the whole living world
that accept this sort of rule in morality.

7.. Would you care to play, if the rules of the game remained unchanged,
but the distribution of rewards were altered in accordance with egalitarian
principles: if the prizes, the honors, the fame were given not to the
winner, but to the loser--if wining were regarded as a symptom of
selfishness, and the winner were penalized for the crime of possessing a
superior intelligence, the penalty consisting in suspension for a year, in
order to give others a chance? Would you and your opponent try playing not
to win, but to lose? What would this do to your mind?

You do not have to answer me, Comrade. You are not free to speak or even to
think of such questions--and I know the answers. No, you would not be able
to play under any of the conditions listed above. It is to escape this
category of phenomena that you fled into the world of chess.

Oh yes, Comrade, chess is an escape--an escape from reality. It is an "out,"
a kind of "make-work" for a man of higher than average intelligence who was
afraid to live, but could not leave his mind unemployed and devoted it to a
placebo--thus surrendering to others the living world he had rejected as too
hard to understand.

Please do not take this to mean that I object to games as such: games are an
important part of man's life, they provide a necessary rest, and chess may
do so for men who live under the constant pressure of purposeful work.
Besides, some games--such as sports contests, for instance--offer us an
opportunity to see certain human skills developed to a level of perfection.
But what would you think of a world champion runner who, in real life, moved
about in a wheelchair? Or of a champion high jumper who crawled about on all
fours? You, the chess professionals, are taken as exponents of the most
precious of human skills: intellectual power--yet that power deserts you
beyond the confines of the sixty-four squares of a chessboard, leaving you
confused, anxious, and helplessly unfocused. Because, you see, the
chessboard is not a training ground, but a substitute for reality.

A gifted, precocious youth often finds himself bewildered by the world: it
is people that he cannot understand, it is their inexplicable,
contradictory, messy behavior that frightens him. The enemy he rightly
senses, but does not choose to fight, is human irrationality. He withdraws,
gives up, and runs, looking for some sanctuary where his mind would be
appreciated--and he falls into the booby trap of chess.

You, the chess professionals, live in a special world--a safe, protected,
orderly world, in which all the great, fundamental principles of existence
are so firmly established and obeyed that you do not even have to be aware
of them. (They are the principles involved in my seven questions.) You do
not know that these principles are the preconditions of your game--and you
do not have to recognize them when you encounter them, or their breach, in
reality. In your world, you do not have to be concerned with them: all you
have to do is think.

The process of thinking is man's basic means of survival. The pleasure of
performing this process successfully--of experiencing the efficacy of one's
own mind--is the most profound pleasure possible to men, and it is their
deepest need, on any level of intelligence, great or small. So one can
understand what attracts you to chess: you believe that you have found a
world in which all irrelevant obstacles have been eliminated, and nothing
matters, but the pure, triumphant exercise of your mind's powers. But have
you, Comrade?

Unlike algebra, chess does not represent the abstraction--the basic
pattern--of mental effort; it represents the opposite: it focuses mental
effort on a set of concretes, and demands such complex calculations that a
mind has no room for anything else. By creating an illusion of action and
struggle, chess reduces the professional player's mind to an uncritical,
unvaluing passivity toward life. Chess removes the motor of intellectual
effort--the question "What for?"--and leaves a somewhat frightening
phenomenon: intellectual effort devoid of purpose.

If--for any number of reasons, psychological or existential--a man comes to
believe that the living world is closed to him, that he has nothing to seek
or to achieve, that no action is possible, then chess becomes his antidote,
the means of drugging his own rebellious mind that refuses fully to believe
it and to stand still. This, Comrade, is the reason why chess has always
been so popular in your country, before and since it's present regime--and
why there have not been many American masters. You see, in this country, men
are still free to act.

Because the rulers of your country have proclaimed this championship match
to be an ideological issue, a contest between Russia and America, I am
rooting for Bobby to win--and so are all of my friends. The reason why this
match has aroused an unprecedented interest in our country is the
longstanding frustration and indignation of the American people at your
country's policy of attacks, provocations, and hooligan insolence--and at
our own government's overtolerant, overcourteous patience. There is a
widespread desire in our country to see Soviet Russia beaten in any way,
shape or form, and--since we are all sick and tired of the global clashes
among the faceless, anonymous masses of collective--the almost medieval
drama of two individual knights fighting the battle of good against evil,
appeals to us symbolically. (But this, of course, is only a symbol; you are
not necessarily the voluntary defender of evil--for all we know, you might
be as much its victim as the rest of the world.)

Bobby Fischer's behavior, however, mars the symbolism--but it is a clear
example of the clash between a chess expert's mind, and reality. This
confident, disciplined, and obviously brilliant player falls to pieces when
he has to deal with the real world. He throws tantrums like a child, breaks
agreements, makes arbitrary demands, and indulges in the kind of whim
worship one touch of which in the playing of chess would disqualify him for
a high-school tournament. Thus he brings to the real world the very evil
that made him escape it: irrationality. A man who is afraid to sign a
letter, who fears any firm commitment, who seeks the guidance of the
arbitrary edicts of a mystic sect in order to learn how to live his life--is
not a great, confident mind, but a tragically helpless victim, torn by acute
anxiety and, perhaps, by a sense of treason to what might have been a great
potential.

But, you may wish to say, the principles of reason are not applicable beyond
the limit of a chessboard, they are merely a human invention, they are
impotent against the chaos outside, they have no chance in the real world.
If this were true, none of us would have survived nor even been born,
because the human species would have perished long ago. If, under irrational
rules, like the ones I listed above, men could not even play a game, how
could they live? It is not reason, but irrationality that is a human
invention--or, rather, a default.

Nature (reality) is just as absolutist as chess, and her rules (laws) are
just as immutable (more so)--but her rules and their applications are much,
much more complex, and have to be discovered by man. And just as a man may
memorize the rules of chess, but has to use his own mind in order to apply
them, i.e., in order to play well--so each man has to use his own mind in
order to apply the rules of nature, i.e., in order to live successfully. A
long time ago, the grandmaster of all grandmasters gave us the basic
principles of the method by which one discovers the rules of nature and
life. His name was Aristotle.

Would you have wanted to escape into chess, if you lived in a society based
on Aristotelian principles? It would be a country where the rules were
objective, firm and clear, where you could use the power of your mind to its
fullest extent, on any scale you wished, where you would gain rewards for
your achievements, and men who chose to be irrational would not have the
power to stop you nor to harm anyone but themselves. Such a social system
could not be devised, you say? But it was devised, and it came close to full
existence--only, the mentalities whose level was playing jacks or craps, the
men with the guns and their witch doctors, did not want mankind to know it.
It was called Capitalism.

But on this issue, Comrade, you may claim a draw: your country does not know
the meaning of that word--and, today, most people in our country do not know
it either.


Sincerely,

Ayn Rand
Sep. 11, 1972
 
Posted on 03-30-06 11:22 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Hey Ignitor, you always open up the thread with cut paste hailing those as*s**oles Maoists leaders who are the root coause of the present crisis in Nepal.

Yet again, here you appear with a futile attempt to legitimize Maoists movement or garner sympathy towards culprits like Baburam by fooling sajhabashis and feeding silly cut and paste. It just shows how desperate you are to shout on your top voice "Yes, Maoists are Great, Baburam is my Hero"... what a idiotic drama you are coming up with.
 
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Day by day Ignitor is proving himslef " a laughing stock". Are you saying Baburam sacrificed even his mother to achieve checkmate.. what a pathetic logic with propaganda spread by Maoists in Wikipedia.
 
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great one!!
here is just a gist of rand's philosophy; if u enjoy objectivism
"My philosophy, in essence, is the concept of man as a heroic being, with his own happiness as the moral purpose of his life, with productive achievement as his noblest activity, and reason as his only absolute." - Ayn Rand
 
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karmarana,

Are not you fooling yourself? After seeing your hatred posts against Maoists without knowing the real cause of the problem while keeping your mouth shut over the big terrorist KG, is not it you who is "a laughing stock"?

I do not believe in guns and I do not support Maoists for killing people. However I do still believe that they are political force and their political ways (No! I am not taking about their actions!) are necessary to eradicate our feudal societies to establish democratic and socialistic ones.
 
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Being good in Chess and being good in politics are not the same. Also, how trustworthy is Wikepedia. You, me , him and her all can edit there to make it look like what we want. I wil not surpirsed to know that the thread starter first edited it himself.

Even if we assume wikipedea was correct, questions of Ayn Rand posted by Ashu is a big jhappad to the starter of the thread.

Thanks ashu for bringing the issue.

Rambhu Yadav
Kathmandu Nepal
 
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OK writes:

"However I do still believe that they are political force and their political ways (No! I am not taking about their actions!) are necessary to eradicate our feudal societies to establish democratic and socialistic ones."


This is how Maoists get their sympathy when well-meaning Nepalis fall in to a trap to
say to them, "I like your politics but without the violence."

Obviously, those Nepalis who have not had their family members and/or friends
killed or hurt by Maoists harbour such pie-in-the-sky sympathies as though Maoists' having a wonderful-sounding philosophy is good enough of a credential for them to
be for democracy and against feudalism REGARDLESS of how their philosophy
actually plays out in practice.

[As I write these sentences, I just read that Maoists have bombed an SLC exam center. What revolutionary goal was achieved by bombing SLC exam centers and hurting/killing innocent students?]

On a larger note, why can't people understand that there is NO such thing as non-violent Maoism just as there is no such thing as a vegetarian carnivore?

Violence is THE essence of Maoism.
Violence is what gives color to Maoist philosophy.
No violence = No Maoism.

It's just that Maoist leaders are very clear and very media-savvy at justifying violence
in the name of larger, vague and true-sounding goals. Who, for instance, is for corruption, for discrimination and so on and so forth?

Because Maoists cannot win the hearts and minds of people through logic, evidence, trials and errors, arguments and public debates, they have to resort to violence, to killings and fear-mongering to get what they want.

So, I would think that the right thing to say the Maoists is this: "So long as you do not denounce violence and give it up altogether and even stop calling yourselves Maoists , you are NOT a political force of any sort. A political ideology with an obviously wrong practice cannot be a right ideology at all. You are just a destructive force. Don't fool yourself and don't fool us."

And, NO, one does not have to be pro-parties or anti-parties or pro-king or anti-king or adopt any of those other labels to say that the Maoists are no political force when their politics justifies violence.

oohi
ashu
 
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Hello OK, you made me laugh when you say things like " After seeing your hatred posts against Maoists without knowing the real cause of the problem .....".

You seems to be incredibly hurt when you find "hatred posts against Maoists" deep inside your Heart !!!! You are the first person I have encountered in my life who found certain postings as "Hatred Posts against Maoists". I feel sorry for you.

By the way I learnt that

OK = Ignitor
 
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One question: how do you guys think these Maoists leaders easily go to India and come back to Nepal whenever they want? Nepali inteligence agency is a big failure I guess. I don't personally think these leaders should be under the jail, but just curious.
 
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The fact is, they don't cross the border.. they are most of the time living in the other side of the border. You should rather ask "Is not Indian intelligence is a SUPER FAILURE?" Remember, India still brands tehse faggot leaders as TERRORISTS.
 
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so go and figure !!!
 
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Oh Kutta Prasanne! be ready to face hell now.
 
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I think your brain wires are all enter-twined... things you write doesn't make any sense at all here.. why on earth you write something which makes no sense at all? What's the problem with you, bro? Are you drunk or what? Loks like surely you have spme problem with someone and you are getting mad at whoever writes anything that conflicts withyour thinking... Hare Ram Hare Ram...
 
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oh!!!!!!!
I love chess
 
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Thanks Ashu for putting things in a very subtle way:

" So, I would think that the right thing to say the Maoists is this: "So long as you do not denounce violence and give it up altogether and even stop calling yourselves Maoists , you are NOT a political force of any sort. A political ideology with an obviously wrong practice cannot be a right ideology at all. You are just a destructive force. Don't fool yourself and don't fool us." "

Maoists are guided by leftists from Europe. Those European leftists are simply using so called Nepalese Maoists to experiment the already-failed communist system in Nepal. I wonder why the hell they don't carry out similar movements in their own country in UK, Belgium, Germany, and what not. The recent victim of their insane experiemnt occured in Peru, we all know that. Therefore, to me, Baburam prachanda Mahara and so on are only servants to these Eroopean leftists group.....
 



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