All Nepalese,

King of Nepal do not do good to Nepal.

So seven political parties are the best for Nepal. Bahun must be the leader or ruler of Nepal.

Do you think so?

That is why In Indian subcontinent two distinct types of languages exist: A Sanskrit based language like Hindi,Urdu, Bengali,Maithili, Nepali and local Dravidian language like, Tamil Telugu, Jhagar etc. Upto that time almost all aryan were Hindu they had already stablished the caste system. Initially the man who performed rituals was Bahun and who served in military was Kshetriya and so on. But it became like heriditary. Just like a doctors son being a doctor and Engineers son being an Engineer.They also influenced Dravidian by Hindusim. But Muslism spred about 2000 years ago from Arab. Some Aryan changed to Muslim like most Pakistani but others remained Hindu. But about 700 years ago Muslim invaded India. Some Hindus changed to Muslim but some entered Nepal in search of safe place.At that time in the hill region there were other mongol loke race but in minority in western Nepal. In Kathmand it is very interesting. First Kirant(what kind of Kirant??still unknown) then Likshavi from India, then Malla from Rajasthan India ruled over the people. But who were the original people of Valley-still unknown.During Mall period more Hindu aryan entered the valley and developed the cast system.Pradhan, Shrestha and other Hindu dominated the Buddhist society. Some muslim also entered in valley.Malla being a pure Hindu from India developed Hinduism well in valley. That is why there are so many Hindu Temples.These Hindu mixed with the local people of valley to some extent . The locals of valley is believed to be Tibetian type people. Then a kind of language Newari developed by the mixture of Sanskrit and Tibetan type language. Some Malla king used to speak Urdu and Maithili as their language. Finally SAHa defeated Malla and some Malla went back to India and fled to hill area.

Yes, the civilization of South Asia started in the indus river basin. There is a conflict about who started it. According to a theory known as a theory of Aryan Invasion, the civilization in the indus valley was purely darkskinned, dravidian and was contemporary to Egypt and Mesopotamia and in fact much more advanced. They were not hindus but they worshipped Shiva. In about 1800 to 1500 BC, these people known as Aryans, fairskinned, from the area where present day black sea is, came to northern India through the Khyber pass in the Hindukush mountain. They gradually became larger in number, they were less civilized than the dravidians but were very warrior like and advanced in literature and already domesticated horses and cows.
Later they mixed with (or defeated in some cases) these dravidians but dravidians not accepting the Aryan supremacy started moving southward. Which is why, you don't find any verses dedicated to lord shiva in vedas, which was already completed at this time. They were the first people to migrate everywhere around the south asia.

If you want to read more,

look for 'Aryan Invasion Theory' in the search engine.

I am GURUNG, I have never ever ever thought I am less than anybody in character,hardwork and talent .I always believe truth and work rather than just plain talks.I clearly see my destiny and I know I will be there.

Hillarious and disgusting.

Dibya Raj Koirala wrote above:
"...ethnic groups like Gurung, Rai(Economically they are not so bad but they are JHGADALU but not all-they should improve their character)..."

What an ass? On one hand he proclaims he is not castist, but on other hand, he makes comments such as above, cleverly concealed in some historical theories he googled.

Who on earth is he to say that so and so should improve their character? People like this idiot causes lot of strife among different castes.

One could easily say, "bahuns ... such as Koirala himself... should improve their character because they are corrupt, dhoorta, kanchoos, dar-cheruwa khaobadis." But that would be an immoral comment among us civilized folks. A thought that seems to have illuded this Koirala fellow.

Anyway, I just want to make this point. There are hippocrites here who claim to take high road and lofty priciples, but deep inside, their mentality is still in the "goo bagney" sewer.

Yesto gireko "mookha ma ram ram bagali ma chura" bhayeka kukkur haru dekhi sawadhan!

Actually, the aryan invasions don't date that back. And there is sufficient genetic evidence (as in DNA testing google it), that back up the aryan invasion theory. For example, specific proteins dna proteins of brahmins/some other higher castes match with those of europeans.

You'll also see lots of genetic diseases that are only prevalent in the european community to be in the brahmin community (though not south indian brahmins and probably not most nepali brahmins), like red-green color blindness. my dad has that.

What's hilarious is that some indian people think they have blond hair and blue eyes. now that's impossible (excluding some non hindu kashmiris and immigrants of kalash).

Moreover, being of a pure-bred indo-aryan stock is much more harmful in an environment like nepal than it is helpful. Ex, skin's not thick enough to withstand the sun etc. And since the whole 'pure' thing brought on massive inbreeding, there tends to be high cases of autism, downs syndrome, etc.

I do not have much knowledge about history of cast system. But was not it formed for divison of labor?? This might have significance back then and might be very realistic. But time changes and in the current context it does not pose any significance rather than figuring out one's root. So instead of fighting over cast why not live and let live.

peace out

"go to Okhaldhunga and come across some Basnet and Karkee or Khadka "

Yes, you are right about that. Khadkas look not just like bahuns. Many of them can look White with blue eyes. I am not joking. I know some Khadkas who could pass for White people.
I am willing to marry anybody from any caste, but they gotta fit the description I am looking for.
Magdalena, you are 100% correct about genetics and caste system. You are probably aware of the fact that as you go up the caste ladder, the more your genes seem to look like that of Europeans. Even so, the % is in the 50's. The crux of the matter is that Indians, no matter what caste they belong to, are more similar to each other than to outside groups. The lower-castes in India have predominantly proto-asian blood.

"What's hilarious is that some indian people think they have blond hair and blue eyes. now that's impossible "

Exactly, Kashmiris can be blond. Do you know about the Chitpavan/Koknashta brahmins, Magdalena? They're from the Maharastra region. They are known for their fair skin and light eyes. So it's not correct to say that blondism is a trait found solely in the Northwestern region. Gujjars, Pathans, Kalashas, Jats etc are light-skinned. Google "Jaunsaris", Magdalena. They live in the Uttaranchal region of India, and are known for their light skin as well. They trace their roots to the Pandavas.

A mama of mine has bluish h eyes. It's common among Nepali bahuns and chettris(khadkas, karkis, etc). .

"Moreover, being of a pure-bred indo-aryan stock is much more harmful in an environment like nepal than it is helpful."

So you seem to believe that Aryans were nordics. I highly doubt that. I go for the Irano-Afghan types. They are the definition of what the original indo-europeans look like in my humble opinion. The term "Aryan" itself does not refer to any specific ethnicity, as the meaning is "noble".

"And since the whole 'pure' thing brought on massive inbreeding, there tends to be high cases of autism, downs syndrome, etc"

Well yeah, you're correct, Magdalena. Inbreeding is commong among smaller groups actually. Jews are known to marry close relatives of theirs. Inbreeding means more diseases. What they do to pigs can be summed up by one word: heterosis. It is the opposite of inbreeding in a sense.

BTW, the gotra system that Hindus have prevents inbreeding. Only from dad's side though. It's okay to marry somebody who has your mom's gotra. That's one fallacy of the gotra system.

Did you read the chitpavan descriptions on the internet? They claim to have blond people, but they don't. Blue/green eyes, yes (recessive); blond hair (other than partial albino, zinc/iron deficiency--chronic, chemical exposure), no. Also, there seems to be a misconception on what is light brown and what is blond. They have pictures of some actors/actresses, but I don't trust them. India has a large market for skin bleaching. All of the chitpavan people of non-media people do not look light. In fact, they're dark.

You won't see an Indian who looks like a Swede, unless he/she's a giant albino.

Jaunsaris don't look that light either.

People from kalash, nuristan, greater afghanistan are very light, but they don't really come into the nepalese indo-aryan category now do they? People of Kalash and Nuristan are said to share a greek origin.

Indo aryan not only refers to genetics, but also languages. Sanskrit (mainly) and even nepali are both indo-aryan languages. Sanskrit is much more similar to latin than it is to Farsi.

Posting pictures of 'many' blue eyed khadkas you know would be nice. It's one think to know one or two people with blue eyes (my grandfather had blue eyes), but saying you know lots of people with white skin and blue eyes requires proof to be credible.

Well, you don't see pics of jaunsaris online. But let's face it, they have major "mongoloid" pimpage as well.
Most Indian actresses aren't light-skinned. They got fair and lovely creams to make them lighter. By the way, the term blondism encompasses hair blondism as well as what's called "eye blondism".
Blondism is not a big deal. I can show you pictures of blond australoids. There are exceptions out there everywhere, trust me. While most Chitpavans don't look that light, the have more cases of blondism than anybody else.
I read an online book by some dixit guy who says he's a professor of some sort. He was stressing the fact that Chitpavans *do* in fact look different. Put it in the context of where they live.

"People of Kalash and Nuristan are said to share a greek origin."

You should watch a documentary called "In the footsteps of alexander". They used to show it on PBS. Dunno if they still do it. There are tons of hypotheses out there. One definitely is that they trace their roots to Greek soldiers.

"Posting pictures of 'many' blue eyed khadkas you know would be nice."

No, I'm not gonna do that. Why should I post pics of people I know? There is a difference between "many" and "most". Many is a subjective term.
Look up the word "Khasa". These people had spread from Kashmir all the way to Western Nepal. I read a journal about the Khasas once.

"Sanskrit is much more similar to latin than it is to Farsi."

All I know is the ancient Vedic language and the ancient Persian language have many things in common. If Sanskrit is much more similar to latin than it is to Farsi, then why is it that Farsi and Sanskrit both fall under the indo-aryan umbrella?

So the Khas kshyatriyas didn't intermix with the nepalese mongols?

Ah the name dixit. One of the so called prominent names in Nepal is Mani Dixit. Oddly enough these people were not only best pals with the Ranas (during their dictatorship), but their last name was Mani Acharya which they held a 'yagna' for and changed it to Mani Dixit.

Ya know, Mani is not a brahmin name. Who's to say they didn't have another 'yagna' and changed their name to Mani Acharya? These are the reasons why you can't really tell who's a real brahmin and who isn't. (the kumais bauns are another story, though they're completely not brahmin). These are also the brahmins who will not research their history (perhaps for frear of finding mongol blood I think). My mom's a half 'mani-dixit' and she looks mongol and it had to have been them as the other side is Indian. Quite a few other mani-dixits look mongoloid. People like the Mani-whatevers can change their last name so easily (they're rich), but what about the others who would also like to climb up the caste ladder?

The Tiwari person who started this thread: What if you research your family history and find out you're no where close to being a real brahmin? what then? Odds are you're probably not, because there are hardly any real ones in Nepal.

Big duh. Of course Nepali brahmins have mongoloid blood. You need to search for some of the things I have said about this in some of my previous posts. But as I said, Indian brahmins have almost 50% proto-asian admixture. Just look it up. Search any journal you want. You can't just say that us Nepali brahmins have mongoloid influence, while sweeping all sorts of mongoloid/dravidian/australoid influences Indian brahmins have under the rug. Combine the three and Indians are bigger mutts than Nepalis will ever be. Get a clue.

I visited Nepal only a couple of months ago. I look for things like these when I visit Nepal. I can safely say that there are more mediterranean looking brahmins in Nepal than there are in India.

Not all Brahmins have mongolian blood.

The 'purohit' however you spell it, are specifically priests who are forbidden (completely) to intermingle. Could there have been a few mixing (yes), but they were demoted to other castes immediately, or they kept their last name, but left the 'tribe' so to speak.

Not all (actually most of them aren't) Nepalese brahmins are purohits/pandits. In the Brahmin community, you'll notice some (mostly from the gorkha region) have very, very light skin (as compared to other Nepalis).

Even then, could there have been mongolian mixing? Yes. But nowhere close enough to make a phenotypic change.

It's quite hilarious to talk about which region has purer brahmins when we're dealing with such a small place like Nepal. Phenotypically most Nepali bahuns don't look mongoloid. Trust me, I know. I am a true blue Nepali. On both sides. I deal with Nepalis. I live with Nepalis. And I know Nepalis. Just coz your mom looks different doesn't mean we all look like her. Don't generalize us from what your mom looks like. It might as well be that your Indian side had more mongoloid influences. Anywho, I am 100% a Nepali. No Indian admixture whatsoever. I know my people. Your half-baked assertions don't mean a thing.

This discussion is over as far as I am concerned. Why should I waste my time discussing *my* people with somebody who happens to be partially Indian? Go take your high and mighty attitude somewhere else. Sorry but you're not one of us.

My god you're stupid.

I'm NOT Indian. No where have I said I was Indian. My father is a 'true blue' Nepali from a very, very Nepali 'pahari speaking' family. My mother's father's side came over from India (but a lot of the generations have stayed in Nepal with the exception of exile during Rana rule).

So to make things clearer for your slow brain to comprehend:

dad: nepalese
Mom: nepalese

Mom's mother: nepalese (Mani Dixit)
Mom's father: great grand parents both Indian

jesus christ. what did you make in your SATs in the comprehension part? -100?

Your mom's side of the family came over from India. Therefore that side is Indian. You yourself said:

" My mom's a half 'mani-dixit' and she looks mongol and it had to have been them as the other side is Indian"

So she's a half 'mani-dixit' and looks mongol. The other side is Indian, according to you. I don't know what you're pulling out of your ass. But what's obvious is that you don't what you're typing.

You're a Nepali with Indian blood. How exactly are you 100% Nepali? I just don't get it.

SAT's. Ah, the good old days. How long has it been? Too long to remember.

As far as I am concerned ours is a patrilineal society, but some people think otherwise. Your mom should be taken as an Indian because her dad is Indian.
You, however, are Nepali because your dad is Nepali.

But you're not bahun. This term can only be used by true blue Nepalis like me. So stop trying to prove otherwise and go waste your breath on some Indian messageboard.

unless you're of tibeto-burmese origin you're not nepali (true blue)

and a 'baun' is a 'brahmin' (rare) or just another hybrid who is not considered 'brahmin' in the true hindu religion.

But ofcourse, you and your 'blue eyed khadkas' are the 'true blue nepalis.'

And just because someone's father is from a certain place, doesn't make them from that place. Very moronic thing to say.

have fun washing dishes or whatever it is that you do.

Fine then, I'm a hybrid. Doesn't matter to me. But all I know is I'm a bahun. You're not one of us. I bet your family is gonna marry you to some gullible bahun guy who doesn't know about your heritage. I feel sorry for that future husband of yours. Tsk tsk tsk.
True Hindu religion? Lawl. Now that's a good one. According to the so-called "true Hindu religion" a Tamil brahmin does not consider a Punjabi brahmin to be one of his own, for example. Nepali bahuns don't intermingle with Indian brahmins(wherever they come from) and vice versa. You have issues. Why do you want to be one of us? You hate us dearly it seems. Just frigging go away. You're partially an Indian. Go marry a paan chewing agrawal, for all I care. Like I'd give a rip about it. You're marrying one of your own if you do that anyways.

I don't wash dishes. I pick apples side by side with my good Hispanic buddies.