I am not a christian but am well read on it and other religions. The best thing about christianity is that it has evolved to be by far the most tolerant and most egalitarian. Mostly when i see Asians, even among some of my distant relatives who are christians, i see that Asians simply do not understand the message of Christ. By converting, they retain so much of their bad values that they become a disgrace to Christianity. Some of my christian relatives (Asian) even find socialising in Hindu festivals as an insult. What is the use of becoming a christian if you retain your hate and still think in term of caste system?. Asian people to some extent appear to be unable to handle  their new religion.
The western world has been built on the values of christianity. It is these values that give us our freedom and human rights that we enjoy so much. Come think of it. When the floods happened in PAkistan or disasters happen in other countries, it is the Christian countries who dig into their pockets to help. These people are burdened with debt and lack of a proper job in their country but many do not hesitate to donate to the needy. Do the Nepalese and Indian Christians emulate this aspect of their new found religion?. Negative as i have not seen it. So why are they becoming christians if they cannot be a proper one?. 
I am an agnostic but i do admire the teachings of Jesus and as i try to be a good human being, i try to follow his good message. I have learnt to be tolerant, egalitarian by observing and socialising with some good Christians.
I have not become a Christian as per religion, but i have become a better human being.

 

freedom,

why limit yourself to the good message of Christians only? What is wrong with following a good message from a Muslim, Hinduism, and a Jew. Is there a thing as a "bad good message"

I actually am happy that christians are investing in converting less fortunates and misguided people into christianity with vatican gifts and those gifts are not giving them what they are aspiring. Paying someone to convert is the shitiest strategy and purely evil. All they are getting is their religion getting filled with less informed and ignorant people now.

"God - the most evil creation of mankind"

Sap_Dude, 

I'm afraid you're seriously ill-informed when it comes to Christianity in Nepal (I noticed you posting something similar on a different thread too). A cousin of mine converted into Christianity and her motivation for converting had little/nothing to do with monetary gains (she comes from a financially well-off family). Even some high profile names like former Mayor Keshab Sthapit's wife converted into christianity. 

Based on my knowledge ( via family member that I aforementioned and friends who went to St. Xavier's and St. Mary's and other acquaintances), a lot of people from poor families (mostly from lower castes) gleefully convert because unlike Hinduism (won't get into Buddhism, Islam and other religions practiced in Nepal), these people don't have to bear financial burden. Just consider the amount of spending that a typical Hindu family has to bear in a year - when a child is born, when somebody dies, during various festivals et al. In Christianity, there's no need for such. All they seemingly do is go to church and pray. 

Don't really know much about Christianity itself (wouldn't wanna get into Hinduism vs Christianity anyway), so I don't know the reasons why Hindus convert into Christiany but again, the notion that Hindus convert into Christianity because they get paid for doing so is bogus. 

Freedom, you claim to be "well read" on the Christianity and other religions, but not sure if you were reading the right set of books. Here's the intolerance:

"I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6

"Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved." Acts 4:12

Are we talking about the same christians who are intolerant towards government funded research of stem cell, contraceptives etc? Are these the same ones who are oppose to homosexuality (despite the Bible saying nothing against it) and abortion?

Let's never say one religion is better than other. Religion is not to be compared but to be believed; if you believe in it, good for you..just don't force your believe in me.

Sap Dude,
if what you said is true about being bought by Christianity then according to you it is simply a business deal right?. So one can easily buy them back to Hinduism. So dont you think temples should use their money in buying them back. Some of the richest people in India are Hindus so buying them back should be an easy process if what you said was the case.

I see followers of other religion killing apostates, sending lakhs of people to Christian countries as refugees. so i have nothing to learn from them. I am not Christian and i dont believe in religion but i must admit that the best human beings that i came across have always been Christians. During my student days there was a girl who worked hard to pay her fees but was also supporting someone in a poor country for his/her education. I met many such people who were not selfish and inspired me to look beyond myself. These people were Christians. I found no trace of racism in them and learnt to treat every human as equal. I was never racist, but when you socialise with people who lead by example, then it inspires you to a great extent. Now many of these qualities are ingrained in me and i believe that has made me a better human being.

Kiddo,
many Christians lead by example and those verses are not taken in a negative way nor practiced negatively. I have never encountered such behaviour anyways. No religion is perfect however and as long as it encourages an egalitarian society and harmony between humans by removing any barriers, then at least it is good to some extent. 
 



 

Freedom,

You are very niave and those "$20 bucks per months" christian ad has really worked on you. The purpose of those ads is to impresss simple minded folks like yoursef.

Before you judge religions you need to understand the core message behind any religions. The core message of Abhramic religion ( muslims, jews, and christinats) is to convert people in other religion as much as they can to theirs. Now, Jews are still struggling to their existance and thier wound from the past has not healed yet so they are not that active in converting others. Christians have money, power, and intelligence so they use indirect force (political force they use in India to convert masses of poors) and vatican gifts of food, blanket, and church meals to the poors. The Muslims on the other hand not being as bright, organized, and farshighted as christians do not know how to use their money to convert others and resort to the Force ( if they cannot change someone they come down to murdering them).

Now Hinduism on the other hand...is the most spiritual, no strict guidelines on how to approach the GOD kind of religion. We have no desire to organize, form a church, collect money and redistribute to convert more into Hindus. Hinduism never taught a need to convert another being into their religion. So that is why there is no culture of collection and redistribution. We express kindness at personal level and not in a "RS 20 per month" organized way. Hence hinduism is not catagorized as an organized relition.

Now it may seem like i am favoring Hinduism over other religions but its not. I am an athiest and do not have much love for any religions. But i am biased somehow towards Hinduism and here is what i have to say about Hindiusm and other religions.

Religions are like smelly farts and if i am forced to smell one at a gun point i would rather smell my own fart than others.

This is nothing but Christian Propoganda. They are one of the most HYPOCRITICAL religions. While they will try to exploit Christians being mistreated in other countries(that how they raise $$ in their churches showing these kind of videos). They would not let Buddhist, Hindu, Jewish, or Muslim flourish in their own back yard. They see them as a threat to their own exixtance. People who watch this crap are blinded by faith, not logic and reasoning. 

   I would like to drop some comment on this thread since folks like FREEDOM2012 seems to focus on what called superificial charm. Before I say anything about the specific religions, there are two kinds of religions in this world: ETHNIC (Natural) and UNIVERSAL (Voluntary). Hinduism, Judaism are ETHNIC religions while Christianity, Islam, Buddhism are UNIVERSAL religion. In ETHNIC religion one is a member by virtue of being born into it. It is tied to the culture and ethnic heritage so many of Nepali Lads who consider themselves progressive and modern by labeling themselves as Agnostic or Atheist are still considered Nepali Hindus.
Voluntary religions essentially have individuals choosing to follow some religion other than that of the social norm. Do you know how Christianity got spread over the year to Africa, South America, India...etc

Now, these VOLUNTARY religions came into existance 2000 years ago while there were still ETHNIC religions so the whole point of these religions were to lure the people into their newly formed religion by doing the things that has not been done. Why does Bible, Koran covers pretty much everything about life and not GITA? Bible comprises of lot of books and they just complied the some stuffs from each of the book. Christian scholars knew what people want and what's easier to sell. The Bible has been modified numerous times according to the needs of the people and circumstances. 


Now, You will be able to see why and which group of people will be tolerant and that makes perfectly good sense. FREEDOM2012, Yes your are right there are a lot of good Christians, so are lot of good Hindus, Muslims, Buddhists. You have been talking about how genereous Christians are and how HIndus in Nepal do not donate anything to anybody. There are some factors you need to take into consideration like  the financial status. In US, you can donate $20 a month (which is the wages of 3 hrs of labor at the minimum wage) even though your a student. Now, think about a student in Nepal who wants to donate less than $5 (~ Rs 500) a month. You see the difference? I am not sure if you are aware of the fact that various religious functions organized in society gather lot of money even in Nepal for noble causes like constrcution of hospital, schools, colleges. What I am trying to say is people tend to be generous when they are in good financial status. I have realized this fact with my own experience. I never donated any money while I was in Nepal coz I didnt have a lot. I used to get certain allowance every month and didnt really wanna give it to anybody. Now, I make some money (not a lot) which is enough for me to sustain till I get out of school. These days I dont mind pitching $20-$30 when I see needs. 

Last but not the least, please do not reach to any decisions by just looking at somebody and saying "I think they look good and happy." I am a Hindu and I don't think Christianity or any religion itself is evil. But the problem is Christians do not see other rleigions compatible and they want to proselytize the non believers. 

Buddhism is more of a philosophy than a religion.

My two cents...At the end of the day it doesnot matter what you believe in or how high you thoughts are, all it matters is your action.

 je bhane ni, the fact is Nepalese are converting to christian purely with the purpose of monetary gain. Ketaharu guff matrai hakdai basa, nikai thulo chalkhel chha Nepal ma regarding this religion conversion. Dherai bideshi INGOs haru lagiparyachhan.

Sap Dude,
I am afraid you are the naive one here. You said Christians give food and blankets to the poor. Really that is the best thing any human being can do. So I assume you mean Hindus do not do the same for the poor. So I do not see what is your problem here. Do you mean poor people in Nepal should not be given the right to decide which religion to choose?. Can you give me one example of someone who was coerced or threatened into converting to Christianity?. Brother, you said you are an Atheist, so what did the Atheist community gift you to become one?. So, it seems you also after all betrayed your own religion by becoming an Atheist. If you have the freedom to choose to become an Atheist then a Hindu has the freedom to become a Christian too. Unless you want to say that a Hindu can either become an Atheist or he must remain a Hindu forever, your argument makes no sense. And by the way, Atheism is also a new growing religion.

 It is Christian countries who accept muslims refugees in the bulk so much so that their society is overrun now and many fear a conflict of culture. Western culture would be ready to adopt more but our culture brings with it our bad practices and this is the only reason why this conflict happens. For example, even if a muslim lives in the West, marriage into own religion is mandatory. Still the other religion must convert to their religion. A Christian parent will be happy for their child if he/she chooses Hinduism/Islam. Whereas there is so much conflict in the family when a muslim/hindu becomes a Christian. To a large extent, western culture is the only culture which supports freedom happily. Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world and you know why?. They do not allow to convert, they reproduce a lot and a lot of marriage of muslims into other religions which make the other religion convert. So that achieves the same purpose.

It is in Hinduism that to do a shanti pooja, you need 10k. The cost might have gone up, i dont know. It is in Hinduism that there are untouchables, It is in Hinduism that intercaste marriage is not allowed. Hindus donate millions dollar worth of Gold to God, why not use this money to give food and blanket to the poor. Hinduism is the richest religion as so much is donated to temples. Recently, they found billions worth of gold and silver in a temple in India. 

Let us all lead by example. If Hinduism and Islam are good religion, then let us support freedom and tolerance. No use saying ours is a great religion and supporting inhumane acts and this includes freedom of religion as well.  
  

 freedom2012," It is Christian countries who accept muslims refugees in the bulk so much so that their society is overrun now and many fear a conflict of culture." Really ? lol !! Is that why all these preachers like Pat Robertson and Joel Osteen call them top threats our society(because they whole heartedly welcomed them into western society)  ? That is probably why there were Muslim Riots in England and France..  This kid has no idea what he is talking about. What do you think the church is run by Jesus Power ? no its the same $$$ that runs the mosque, the Temple, or a Gumba.You are just looking at the surface now kid, if you sctrach it then you will see the real Christians. 

First of all i don't believe that one can be converted by money because christanity is not about rituals. Its not that you do certain things that will make you christain.Its about relationship with Christ falling in love with Him when He becomes your king your saviour your friend your Abba father.Now tell me what kind of money will make some one fall in love? But i do believe there are plenty of poor nepali who will convert just because they think that Christains are stupid and they will help them financially. I have seen in kathmandu that Christanity has become some short of busines where you get funded from gora gori . No money or no power would ever let me go back to hinduism i am ready to die for Christ(mind you there is a difference between dying for what you believe and taking innocent lives for what you believe) Jesus said there is no greater love then to lay your life for your brother. And He did, He died on the cross frorm those who hated Him but yet He forgave them. You know its impossible for a man to be God but God He can be Man any time He like. So was Jesus God who came down to show us rightious way to live. Yes He said that He is the only way what if He is the only way. Tell me what religion promises you heven ? tell me what religion guarentees your salvation? what gods tell you my children come to me i will take your sin upon myself and will pay the price for the wrong that you have done? Its only Jesus He died for me because i am important to Him He loves me as His daughter. So why is it that people hate Jesus simply because they want to continue with their sinful lifestyle. Where wrong is right and right is wrong. Thats what you see on TV and you beieve those hollywood people. But never try to flip the pages of bible and see who Jesus is. The biggest problem people have with  Christains are that they are against abortation. Why is abortation a good thing why killing innocent child is a good thing . Who will stand up for the innocent babies who does not have a voice . Life comes from God we have no right to take that . that baby can be a great man or a women. Please why people think that its ok to have sex before marriage have multipal partners and then because of the life style you choose to live you end up pregnent and you kill the baby because you think that its a burden or for women their body that is ment to seduce man might not be as pretty . Hey if you do not want the baby you can always give it up for adoption. there are plenty of people who whould love to have a child running around who is such blessing from God. and the other thing gay marriage. Ok gay people can do what ever they want to do in close door but why do they have to redefine marriage? because they are in love well there might be a person who  is in love with a doll or a horse and some one wants many husbands of wives or some one says hey i am in love with a five year old  where would you draw the line. And why on earth do they want to teach little  children about  its ok to be gay being gay is ok explore your body .The evil is trying to take the innocence from little children where a father is teaching his boy to wear dresses and telling him is completly ok. . its a messed up world where 4th grader are taught to wear condoms. well if you want you child to be gay good for you but my boys are going to be God fearing man of God.

Bathroom bro,
these people are more concerned about their way of life being affected. Western countries have a high level of freedom and tolerance. When immigrants bring with them ideas and practices which threaten this, of course there is bound to be conflict. After all, as an immigrant, we owe something to our host country. We cannot make use of their kind heartedness to change their lifestyle. WE the immigrants have to adapt not THEM. None of these preachers support violence but want immigration capped or reduce as immigrants have failed to adapt.
Sap bro and Bathroom bro, if your own parents or brother or sister were to become a christian, will you accept this happily?. Till the answer to this question is "YES", you know nothing about freedom. For that matter if you are a Christian and your loved one becomes a hindu/muslim, it should also be a "YES". 
All religion should promote freedom and tolerance.

Sap bro and Bathroom bro, if your own parents or brother or sister were to become a christian, will you accept this happily?.

What is there to be sad or happy about someone changing the religion? Who fking cares....they are both farts...one might prefer another fart over ones fart and other might stick to his own fart.

Also...why do you keep on intermingling religions with culture? The west's culture and religion are two different things. The culture of the west tolerates immigrants but the religion does not if you do not convert to theirs. Thats is what Pat Robertson's whole issue is. Dont't mix the culture with religion. If USA was run by a Church then no one would have gotten here without converting themselves into christians. Only 60% of USA is religious and how much of that are christians? Even in USA people don't buy the BS of religion. The other religious people are the immigrant christians from Latin America, Hindus from south asia and muslims from africa and middle east.

http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2012-08-13/national/35491519_1_new-atheism-atheist-groups-new-atheists

Read the article in its entirity. Westerners are buying less and less of the Bible crap.

Western countries have a high level of freedom and tolerance.

Yes the western countries have high level of freedom and tolerance but this is not the message of Bible. Bible says when you see another man tell him the good story of Jesus and convert him immidiately. Western countries are not run by the church.

Stop spreading crap....we do not owe our religious beliefs to the host nation. Actually West country like USA was formed with the ideal of no religious persecution.

Sap Bro,
you really need to brush up on your history. The founding fathers of USA and for that matter the West, were Christians. Their constituition has its basis also on the ideals of Christianity. Don't forget they take their oath on the Bible. And in their money it is written "In God We Trust". The freedom has also allowed people to take oath on the Bhagwad Gita and Quran. The Atheists have a history of Christianity behind them and very often they retain the goodness of their christian values even as Atheists. 
Religion shapes our culture. The West did not ask us to change our religion but to change our culture to support freedom and tolerance. Many cultures go againsts freedom and tolerance.
Ha HA Ha you said who cares if one changes religion but some time back you were moaning about the fact that Hindus became Christians. Lolz :)  

This is an interesting thread?


Seems like the world against freedom 2012...lol

What exactly is the christian values of the Atheists??